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I'm a Cal 31 owner, a 1980. It's got a Universel diesel #5416, 16 hp, and a 135 Genoa. The CQR anchor is too big for the anchor locker. I'd be glad to hear about anchor storage solutions. I've seen a large Danforth hooked to the pulpit of one.

The teak cabinetry in older Cal 31s, i.e. 1979, 1980, models has more finish: lathe-turned work and cabinet doors. The keel also seems deeper than in mid-80s models, which are also longer, fore and aft. I've heard that manufacturing switched to RI and FL around 1980.

The 31 is actually 31' 6" and it's not a bluewater design. It is tender, heels way over going upwind at 15 kts. The cockpit is not large, thanks to a roomy salon, which also has cabinetry port & starboard of the companionway, so no quarterberth. Its PHRF rating ranges from 156 to 165, which is on the fast side for a cruising boat. Practical Sailor Magazine's review was very favorable. About 360 Cal 31's were produced from 1979 to '85 or '86.

I'd be glad to correspond with other owners, to discuss a whole bunch of questions.

Nearer you than me is an extremely attractive Cal 31 for sale - always stored indoors, a 1979 that hasn't seen daylight since '92, a one-owner boat. A "seriously motivated seller", due to illness, is at the low end of asking prices, 24.9k ... - Chris Barr, Boston, MA cbarr@mediaone.net

On this page I also have a link to the Cal 25 Fleet page, a page dedicated to the preservation of the Cal 25. Mike Hoffman

Date: Wed, 02 Dec 1998 08:29:10 -0500, From: chris barr cbarr@mediaone.net , Reply-To: cbarr@mediaone.net, X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 [en] (Win95; I) MIME-Version: 1.0, To: Dan and Karen Dalrymple go2erie@bright.net , Subject: [Fwd: Things that go "POP".] ,

While returning from the Coastal Cup race this year a potentially lethal incident occurred. As all of you California coast sailers know, Point Conception is the battleground of colliding currents and winds. Always a bouncy ride, this year saw broken booms and thrashed sails during the race. The same conditions existed when it was time to take PERPETUAL MOTION, a Cal 31, back home to the Bay Area. This boat had been carefully prepared and equipped for this ocean race in challenging conditions. All proceeded as planned as we motor sailed up the Santa Barbara channel.

The swell grew increasing large and steep as we approached Pt. Conception. Just as we encountered the wind shift line we went over a particularly steep wave. The boat fell several feet and "belly flopped" in the next trough. Not the worst smack the boat had taken, but still bone jarring and rig shaking. The Skipper was putting on his foulies at the time and said with complete calm "We are taking on water!". The three of us looked at each other with that "nooooo" look. By now the cabin was flooding rapidly. Ice coolers, emergency life raft, shoes and anything else on the sole of the cabin was now floating.

The owner/skipper dove in to the cabin and started yanking access panels, sail bags, fenders and all the other carefully stowed stuff out of the way. He started in the stern, looking for the huge flow of seawater pouring in. In the meantime I started steering for the beach (5 miles away) while the remaining man madly pumped. The raft came out on deck as we all made eye contact. In a couple of more minutes we were going to need that raft if we didn't stop the flooding! As the water reached the settee level the skipper worked his way to the forward through-hulls that served the head.

The through-hull had been pushed right through the hull, tearing off the reinforcement fiberglass pad. Close inspection of the fitting and pad showed that the original hole had been cut oversized. To fix the problem the boat builder had simply resigned in the bronze fitting and slapped some glass cloth over the inside of the hull as reinforcement. That would probably have held, except for the hull paint that wasn't removed before glassing on the pad. Resin doesn't stick to paint very well and as the boat smashed down on the water the hydraulic pressure punched in the fitting.

Was this defect visible to an inspection, no! The boat had been raced in San Francisco Bay and the Pacific Ocean for years without a problem. Cal 31s are known for solid construction quality and this boat was in excellent condition.

This incident occurred in daylight and clear skies. It was windy (21kts and rising) with 10-12 foot seas but nothing unusual for the ocean. Had this occurred at "dark 30" we might have lost the boat because the flooding would have remained undiscovered until the off-watch crew floated off their bunks.

What did we learn from this incident? The value of a hammer and wooden plugs. The package says, "these could save your boat", believe that! Having all the possible leak points in the hull know by every crew member is vital if you are going to find the source of massive flooding in time. It truly was amazing how fast the boat was filling through a hole the size of a donut!

My wife and I hope to join the list of LiveAboards and cruisers next year after my retirement. Mike and Nancy

Editor's note: Good luck in your retirements. My thruhull fittings are 23 years old now so this spring's projects on my Cal 2-27 will include removing the three thruhulls in the head compartment since I now have a holding tank. that'll eliminate two of them and I'll also run the drain from the washbasin in the head area into the bilge. We don't use that basin very often. I should only have two thruhulls left, engine intake and galley sink. I'll probably end up running the galley sink into the bilge also since I don't use the sink much. The only problem with this is that sink drainage might turn the bilge sour. Having only one thruhull fitting in the entire bottom of my Cal 2-27 will be worth taking a chance on a sour bilge.

From: PalmerCrk@aol.com Received: from PalmerCrk@aol.com by imo20.mx.aol.com (IMOv18.1) id IIQDa07123 for go2erie@bright.net ; Sun, 6 Dec 1998 01:53:27 -0500 (EST) Message-ID: 83d4afcd.366a29e7@aol.com Date: Sun, 6 Dec 1998 01:53:27 EST To: go2erie@bright.net Mime-Version: 1.0 Subject: cal specs

Date: Wed, 09 Dec 1998 10:29:42 -0500 From: Chris Collins c.collins@asee.org Organization: ASEE X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.5 [en] (Win95; I) X-Accept-Language: en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: go2erie@bright.net Subject: Cal 2-27

Dan, I was just on your Cal web site and really appreciate the information you have collected. I have an opportunity to buy a beautifully maintained, loaded, 1978 Cal 2-27 for around $8,000. It's not the boat I had in mind--I tend to like the older traditional boats like the Bristols--but it's VERY nice and very roomy.

I currently have a 1993 Precision 23 (for sale, if you know anyone looking) that I love, but my wife will no longer sail on after of an encounter with a storm followed by gusty 36 knot winds. You see why I'm asking the questions above? The more comfortable my wife is the more sailing I get to do.

Thanks for any input you might have. Chris Collins c.collins@asee.org

Note: I received a jpg file from Bette, notebook.jpg, but it was only 2k and looked like the very corner of some Cal docs. Something went amiss with the jpg between here and Newport Beach, Bette. Sorry about that. Dan

Please be advised that I purchased a 87 Cal 33 last August 98. I had to redocument the vessel. I found the ID #'s (faintly) on the upper right corner of the transom and also located in an area they call the lazarette which is the locker located in the cockpit on the port side. I found the number embossed on the port hull slightly astern of the hatch opening and up where the hull meets the deck. I hope this information helps.

By the way, We are finding our Cal 33 to be wonderful beyond our expectations. We operate in and out of Narraganset bay in Newport, RI and it just loves heavy weather and passes many other sail boats even in a light breeze.

Editor's note: I replied to Mr. Niddam a couple times. I advised him that Yanmar will tell an owner what size prop to use. They need to know the type of sailboat, the waterline length, the beam, and the weight.

Steve Seal is a rigger in the San Francisco Bay Area. He has every part I have ever needed for a Cal 20 I have been sailing Cal 20's for 21 years). Some of the parts like the rub rail may be able to be used on other Cal Boats. His address is Steve Seal, 1327 Sherman Street, Alameda, CA 94501. . . (510) 521-7730 . He is honest as the day is long and comes with my highest recomendations

To the person wanting to have a sail stop. I tap a 1/4 20 screw into the slot. Be sure to use a stainless steel screw of a marine type of stainless 304 or 306 Hope this helps. Richard Taylor, Andalusia hull # 749

Hi, I got a Cal 31 3 seasons ago, here in Massachusetts. I'm pretty well starved for information on the boat and would be glad to hear about other owners, or info on the web page. My boat doesn't even have a manual, which I have seen aboard Cal 31s in brokers' yards. Mine's a 1980, which shows some signs of being built in Costa Mesa - the propane tank had a label from a local propane company, and the engine has a label from a local marine engine shop. The interior woodwork is more detailed and extensive than in an '82, and the mast is about 3' taller than the '82 and later models, with a correspondingly shorter keel, which is also longer. It has a Universal diesel model 5416.

Thanks for this web page. Brian Cleverly pointed it out to me. - Chris Barr, Boston, MA

I've got some 39-4 pics (factory shots) that I will send you and full specs, etc. Also, photos of earlier ones. Richard L. Spangenberg, mailto: rls@itweb.com

I loved your site. I am a new, last June, owner of a CAL 25. It was built in 1984. I was very interested in your history and photos.

The boat, reflections (new name), needed and still needs a lot of clean up and maintance. But I love to sail it. I have encountered two problems to date. I am large 6'3" 290#, there is no good place to sleep. I am too long for the V birth and too wide for the sides. Even my wife has trouble on the bench seats.

Dick Laughlin, Richardson Texas, Refelctions on Texoma

Editor's note: I can help on two of these three questions. About the fiberglass crack near the winch . . . Cal used a plywood core on many parts of the deck. If water leaks into this core, for example thru the winch's mounting holes, it soaks into the plywood core causing it to swell and oftentimes cracking the fiberglass. This is even more of a problem in the northern states due to the moisture expanding by freezing in the winter.

So . . . FIRST THING, find where the water is getting into the core and get it sealed! Then repair the crack by whatever means is best. I had a nasty crack under my stern pulpit, near the top of my transom caused by water leaking into the core around an engine dorade vent. I made a cardboard template of the shape of the transom top, used the template to cut a 10" x 4" x 1/8" thick stainless plate large enough to cover and strengthen the crack, welded a short piece of tubing onto it for a flagstaff mount, bedded it in 3M 5200 securely over the crack with 26 stainless bolts. I drilled the bolt holes around the edge of the plate, thru the top of the transom, about every inch or so, countersinking the bolt heads into the 1/8" plate. It looks like a beautiful flagstaff mount or maybe a step plate. Whatever, it looks great and is stronger than original.

About the sails, in a nutshell. If the sails are nice and soft and easy to handle, they're probably shot. If they're crispy, crunchy, don't bag up well, make a lot of noise when handled, they're probably good sails. Any reliable sailmaker will look at them and tell you their condition. Don't throw the old ones away. I bought my new main this year without reef points. If I go out in heavy air, I'll use my old sail with it's two large reef points. (My main is quick and easy to change.) I'll save my new main for light air club racing while it's nice and crisp and crunchy. I can add reef points to the new sail later, after I lose a couple of races and get mad at it.

Want to try sailmaking? Here's a winter project. If you have a good sewing machine and want to have a try at sailmaking. Click here for my one and only sailmaking experience. I would never try to make or build a complete sail but here's a project for a couple that want to "get their feet wet" in sail repair. I did it and it worked fine.

I sail in the gulf out of Shell Point, near Tallahassee where I live. I bought the boat this last year from the original owner and it is in excellent condition. Just bought a new 9.9 Honda for it which I would recommend to anyone for fuel economy and quietness. Good luck and keep up the good work. Gil Boettcher, gboettcher@ibm.net

I was wondering if you know of anyone who has seriously addressed the storage space problem on the 2-27. It looks as if installing cabinets on the aft bulkhead above the galley and port and starboard above the settees would not be too difficult (or am I a bit too enthusiastic?). Also, can you recommend a good autopilot suitable for the 2-27. I know nothing about them. Here's a good question . . . If you were starting from day one with your new 2-27, what modifications would you make, or want to make?

Just bought a Cal 40 from the ORIGINAL owner this past October...Hull # 35 or 36 (How can I confirm?). She is in great condition and in the original configuration, with the torpedo tube berths and original GrayMarine 4 cylinder gas engine (runs like a charm after a recent rebuild...before I bought her).

I saw the E-mail you received from Dave Bowers regarding his Cal 40 and the modifications he made to make her more comfortable for cruising. I wonder if he would mind if you passed along his E-mail address so I might get in touch with him. I would love to get pictures of his interior so I might get some ideas.

I also have some information and line drawings with specs you may be interested in. I have to have them photocopied and then I will E-mail or snail mail them to you. I have the original engine manuals also. Let me know what you are looking for and I'll see what I have.

I've been looking for a site like this for awhile and was lucky enough to stumble across a reference from another site. I now have you bookmarked and I'll be dropping in often...to give and take. Thanks, thanks, thanks! Rob

Dan, I just found your site and it is great. We have a 1968 Cal 40 #139 "MANANA". We are the third owners and the name has not changed. We bought her 4/4/92 and are in process of getting her ready to head down to the Islands and south america. She is docked at Watergate Yachting Center in Clear Lake just south of Houston Tx. We have done some updating down below but have not change much from the original plans. We also are opening the Quarter berths with openings from the cockpit.

There is an I-beam at the center of the boat that all the rigging is tied to and my question is, has this been a problem? Have other owners had to repalce this, if so what was the process and cost. Ours is still in good shape but shows the signs of rust. I have mantanined it by cleaning and painting it on a regular bases. We had the hull painted two years ago with awlgrip and am in the process of stripping all the wood and hardware including windows in preparation for having the deck filled and painted. this is going to end up being a one year project with only working on weekends. We will have a pro. do the actual filling and painting but we did all the teardown and will put it all back togeather. We would like to hear from you and others who have done some simular type projects on their CAL's. You can reach me at jstlman@aol.com Keep up the good work. Jim

http://marina.fortunecity.com/caldonia/230/home.html

There is a scanned copy of my Dad's drawing now posted at that site. Rod Johnson,"NODROG" 1970 Cal 21

Editor's note: I couldn't find the drawing at that site. Someone else try and let me know... dd

I recently purchased a Cal 40 (#35 or #36-don't know for sure) and I'm trying to get as much info as I can. Also looking for ideas and suggestions to upgrade her into a more comfortable cruiser...she's virtually original.

If anyone would be kind enough to send, fax, or e-mail the article/issue I'd greatly appreciate it. I'll pick up any costs involved. Thanks, Rob Stiglitz, eMail: rfalcons@lawrence.csnet.net Fax: (718) 368-4510, Address:59 Avon Rd., Hewlett, NY 11557.

Dan, Hi, I came across this site while searching for information on Cal boats. It is a very interesting site with a lot of information. Thank you for taking the time to develop such a neat place to visit. Anyway I have a Cal 21 that I have a few questions about the original setup. I noticed that Angela Hunter Richardson (posting 24) stated that she had copies of the original specs. I would be interested in obtaining a copy. However her e-mail or even standard mail address were not included. Would it be possible to obtain either so I can contact her? Also in posting #27 reply 2 Rod Johnson "NODROG" stated he had a drawing for the centerboard trunk plug and that he had a 21 originally owned new by his father. I would also like to contact him concerning the original method of raising and lowering the centerboard and a method for locking it in place when lowered. Again no e-mail or address was supplied. I would also like to contact him. So either would be appreciated.

Good morning to Mr. Dan Dalrymple from the great Pacific Northwest. 1/4/99 from Jacqui MacConnell (age 51), and her son, Orion Adair MacConnell (age 13). Bellingham, Washington

Hello Dan. Your pages are remarkable.

There is a Lapworth designed Cal 33 (1972) for sale in my town that greatly interests me. And it seems overpriced for what's on it, and for what is not. Asking $24,900. Atomic 4. Budget is a concern. Particularly as I can see so much needing fixed or replaced, or just properly re-installed.

Basic boat, basic design: good, good. This design even has a slight skeg for it's rudder. My purposes would be safe, comfortable, accomodating, and, as we learn more, fast sailing. Mostly buddy-boating until my son and I are competant skippers. Later, overnight San Juan gunkholing with Orion and his chums. Possible club racing on Wednesday and Thursday nights, and then, if we're still into it and the sun hasn't set yet, the oceans lie open to us from here........ Alaska, the Queen Charlottes, whatever. I've been pick-up race crew, first mate, and go-along cruiser for fourteen years. Have also just passed the Coast Guard Aux. basic safety class. But never been Skipper, solo. And I'm very respectful of that difference.

I will fax stuff on her to you. There are two things you could do for me, if you are willing. Zero rush. Zero obligation. Tell me anything you already know, or can point me toward, in terms of this Lapworth model (not the beamier 33 built later in the 80's), and the company or Lapworth career histories.I would love to read a couple anthologies, if available. Thanks in advance should you have the time and interest for the challenge. Mr. Dalrymple, a grand new year to you and yours. Thank you again for you appealing site. Hope some of my leads are new and pleasureable to you.

Thank you. Sincerely, Jacqui MacConnell, and son Orion

Editor's note: I shortened this e-mail a bit. You got me on this Cal 33. I looked at the photos that you referred me to and the boat is beautiful. She's all Cal on the outside but looks "better than Lapworth" inside except for the problems that you mentioned. I hope that you and your son find a boat, preferrably a Cal, and can sail out your dreams. I have toured southeast AK and would love to return there in a sailboat. About this 33 foot design by Lapworth, you already know more about her than I do. If I get your copies of the documents, I'll post them here. Thanks, dd

I have a CAL25. On the bottom of the boom on the mast end there is a cam cleat that goes through the bottom of the boom. One side is used for reefing and the other side is used for the cunningham. Does any one know who made these parts or where I can buy them? Any info would be greatly appreciated.

Great web page, but I would like to correct one factual error: Contrary to your statement, Robin Graham did not circumnavigate in a Cal 24. He made it about 3/4 of the way and then moved to a larger boat, something in the 30-foot range as I recall, and then completed the circumnavigation. Robin has been a hero of mine for many years so I'd just like to see the record set straight. Thanks. 73, Bill W7TI

She has been through a couple of name changes, including "Nauti-cal", a dreadful pun on the prior "Zero-Zero" and the manufacturers name, but easy to get crew T-shirts for. She currently calls herself Juniper.

I would appreciate any further news of her adventures. Bye, Hugo.

Just saw the message from Steve Cole. Glad to hear he is still kicking. Hope you get an opportunity to post his messages in the future. I would be very interested in his sea stories.

Great page! Keep up the good work. Gil Boettcher Cal 24 "Moderation"

Great Page!!! I owned a Cal 29 for years. A great boat!!! I have a water color painting of our cal offshore in Jax. Fla. I'll try to send a photo of it at some point. A famous maine marine artist was commissioned by norcold to paint it in a " Freeze the moment" sweepstakes that we won. Love the page !!!

Dan, Thanks for Dave's E-mail address. I've already been in touch with him and he pointed me to his web page. If you haven't seen his boat, it's certainly worth a look. (http://www.woodex-meco.com/astarte/). (Ed note: I corrected this address) His boat is gorgeous. Gave me lots of ideas and he was kind enough to include his phone #.

As far as the info I can provide to you on the Cal 40 (specs., line drawing, etc.), I will take the papers to work on Monday to photocopy and will drop them in the mail as soon as I can. Ed Note: Thanks, I received the information and line drawings, dd) I also have some info on Bill Lapworth that may be interesting, which I'll also include. Again, thanks for the info and the web site. Rob

Note: in another email . . . Dan, Glad you can use some of the info I sent you and I'm glad I could be of some help. As for my home port, Hewlett is where my home is, on Long Island's south shore, about 20 miles east of New York City. I sail out of Oyster Bay, which is on the north shore of Long Island, and my cruising area is generally Long Island Sound into New England and sometimes down into New York Harbor. If your ever plan a trip to New York please look me up and maybe we can arrange a sail together. If you think I may be able to provide any further info please drop me a line and I'll see what I can dig up. If I find anything I think you might be able to use I'll be sure and forward it. Anyway, thanks for your efforts with the Web page and I hope I can be of further help in the future. Rob

Note: in another email... Dan, Sorry about the hyperlink to Dave' webpage. Something happened when I copied it to your page and it was incomplete. Try this one: http://www.woodex-meco.com/astarte/

Rob

Hi, I am looking for some history on my Cal 24. She seems to have started life as Zero-Zero, sailing out of Hawaii, through the Panama canal to the UK. From there she made for Cape Town. Like the Dove, which stopped in Durban, her crew then switched to a bigger boat to pass Cape Augulas at the South end of Africa.

I have a 1986 Cal 33 along with the original sales brochure. This says that Peter Boyce designed this model of Cal 33. I don't know anything about the designer, but I would appreciate your comments on this model. I can send you info if you like, however, my scanner is down and I can not send brochure at this time.

I have a 1967 which my family and I cruised the Eastern Caribbean with. It is a great boat. We did St. Martin to Trinidad 450 miles in 52 hours. That is 8.6 knots for two days with cruising sails and one person on watch. Anyway we are not using the boat and would consider selling her to the right buyer. The boat is still very stock but she does have a Pro furl, a 50hp Yanmar(straight shaft), and Lewmar 52ST's. The boat is in North Carolina. I can be reached at bayviewhouse@yahoo.com Thanks for the cool sight Josh Summers

Hi, I recently purchased a 1969 Cal34 and keep it in Wilson - Lake Ontario. I am looking for Cal34 owner groups and additional information regarding the CAL34. Does anyone have some user network information. Found groups dedicated to Cal 25 but none for CAL34. Thanks Frank Saul 716-565-9510

The purpose of that small forestay you are talking about is to add stiffness and/or prebend to the lower portion of the mast. I installed one on a Venture 222 that previously owned and it did wonders for the performance. I also added a tube of PVC over it to act as a roller for the jib when tacking.

I am currently reworking the Tech Tips and there are 2 new tips regarding this subject. Stay tuned, as I will post the notice via the SJ23 distribution list. -- Bob Schimmel, Spruce Grove, Alberta, Canada, San Juan 23 Internet Fleet: http://www.geocities.com/Yosemite/Trails/5492/ This list sponsored by PEAK,Inc., ISP and Education Center, Corvallis, Oregon

I own a Cal 27 T2 1974. I believe this is also referred to as the "Doghouse" model. I would like to know if any one has copies of the brochure, manual or any publication. I would certainly be willing to compensate. Michael Flanagan

Dear Sir, I have an opportunity to purchase a CAL 29 at a good price. I don't know the year at this time but would like to get as much information of the original specifications as possible. I cannot find any thing on the homepage which may lead me to a location.

Your web site is GREAT. Thanks for taking the time. If you can help me please send to John E Mail address "actchem@aol.com" Thanks John

Hi. Just browsed your Cal page. I recently purchased a Cal 2-27, my first boat. I am very happy with it. I have one of the few 2-27's which came equiped with an outboard rather than the inboard, which is interesting, because it gives you a ton of storage where the inboard would have been. Editor's note, I'm thinking of switching to a 4 cycle outboard myself. I'm having problems buying reasonably priced parts for my original gasoline, 15 horse, Volvo Penta, 4 cycle, MD 10A engine.

I have searched all over the web for info on these models, and was glad to stumble on your page. I added my name to the Cal 2-27 newsletter group, but have heard nothing. I am going to try to join the Owners Group, do you belong or have any info on them? Simon

Editor's reply: My answer to Question #1 - Right here on this website (in these Q&A pages) is the best place to find an owner's manual. Question #2 - Usually the bilge contains the icebox drain, any deck leaks and any water leakage thru the hull, such as thru the stuffing box. The main reason that the icebox drains into the bilge is that the bottom of the icebox is usually below the waterline. Draining the icebox thru the hull would result in an icebox that would remain half full of seawater. Question #3 - The cockpit MUST drain outside the hull else a wave over the transom could sink you. Question #4 - The sink should usually drain thru the hull. It's best to shut this off while sailing especially during rough weather. Editor's Note: I glassed-over my sink thru-hulls and now drain my sinks into the bilge. Since no outside seawater enters the sink plus the fact that I don't use either sink much, this is safe enough. The only drawback is that the bilgewater may become sour due to sink discharge.

Greetings: I love your website. It is really informative. I am looking at a RI built Cal 39 circa 1986. Have you personally heard comments on the quality of the construction from this facility compared with the previous facilities? The older boats seemed to be exceedingly stoutly built. Is this true of the RI incarnations as well? Thanks for the input. Bill Kusmik kusmik@erols.com

Hello: I have been following your website. It is very informative. I am looking at a Cal 39 (1986) which was built in RI. Are you aware of any information concerning the quality of construction at this facility? I am aware that the original models were stoutly constructed and I was wondering if that was alao true of those manufactured in RI. Thanks for your input. Bill Kusmik kusmik@erols.com

Dear Dan, Found your page this evening and think it is great! I am on the West Coast and we have about 50 members in our Association. Perhaps we could get together and create a listing of all Cal 2-27 owners in the U.S. With the internet we might be able to do some cool stuff. Regards, Jim Taylor "Uncle George" Hull # 56

From: To: "Dan and Karen Dalrymple" go2erie@bright.net Subject: Re: Cal24, etc. Date: Wed, 6 Jan 1999 04:30:54 -0500 X-MSMail-Priority: Normal

Dan, A Cal 24 owner just led me to your webpage. I am the Steve Cole who was the "guru" of the class for a long time. I had Zest for 23 years and wrote a newsletter for many of those years. It's a bit wierd to see a short write-up about myself on the net. I raced and cruised the boat continuously, and maintained her in perfect condition. I do know a lot about the boats and am always available for advice. I also still know the Pete Ebeling who was referenced in my old newsletter. He still has Cal 24 #21 (now in Brooksville, Maine), which he baught new as a kit in 1959. He was a personal friend of both Jack Jensen and Bill Lapworth. There are several details in your page that I think are inaccurate, but it's too late right now (tonight) to think about them.

I'll send another email in the future. I share your enthusiasm for Cal boats (even though I now have a J/30).

Steve Cole, Seal Beach, CA

My reply to Steve: Hello Steve, It's good to hear from you. I realize that many things here are not accurate. With everyone's help, we can make it better. Certainly anything that you can help me with will be changed or added to the site with #1 priority. I appreciate any and all help. Whatever you send me on any of the Cals can be added directly to the site. I'll even give you your own page here, if you like.

People want to read about the Cals. There's very little on the web about them (is why I started this site). I keep adding my site addresses to any and all search engines that doesn't list them since hundreds of internet users search for information about Cal Yachts daily. Even though I haven't touched the website for the past several months, the number of user hits on the site increases daily.

Thanks for the email, looking forward to more of them, Dan Dalrymple, Wooster, OH

Dan, I was just on your Cal web site and really appreciate the information you have collected. I have an opportunity to buy a beautifully maintained, loaded, 1978 Cal 2-27 for around $8,000. It's not the boat I had in mind--I tend to like the older traditional boats like the Bristols--but it's VERY nice and very roomy.

Could you tell me a bit about the boats sailing characteristics? For instance . . . Does it pound heavily in heavy chop? When do you put in the first reef? The second reef? Is the ride generally easy or will she pound you to death on a long cruise? These are general questions to give you a idea of the information I'm looking for.

I currently have a 1993 Precision 23 (for sale, if you know anyone looking) that I love, but my wife will no longer sail on after of an encounter with a storm followed by gusty 36 knot winds. You see why I'm asking the questions above? The more comfortable my wife is the more sailing I get to do.

Thanks for any input you might have. Chris Collins c.collins@asee.org

My reply: Hello Chris, Good to hear from you. I've owned several sailboats, some larger than the 2-27, but I never had a boat that I enjoyed sailing more. I'm a poor one to ask about reefing. We sail Lake Erie, a lake noted for it's light air, but equally noted for it's treacherous short chop in a blow.

One of the reasons I like smaller sailboats is the fact that it's easier to simply change a sail than to reef it. So the first thing I'd probably do is drop the main completely down or possibly change my main. Yes, I do have a "storm main" cut down from an old mainsail. (good winter project, saves the good mains).

My next step would be to change the jib to the 110 (gotta go on deck for this task) and continue under jib only. If she blows up any more than this, I would pop my storm jib, and motorsail using the storm jib to steady the boat. Actually, I've done just this, several times. I'm not one for spending much time fussing with sails during a blow, so like I said, usually wait too long, then take a major step. My 70 square foot storm jib, sheeted in tight, works great, along with the engine. It helps the boat's speed but mostly it is a godsend for steadying the boat.

I remember reefing the main a couple times but both times I reefed at dock, then went out in stiff winds. Once was in Nassau, though, and I only put in a single reef at dock, only to find that we soon needed a double. Ended up motoring under storm jib only, then after 10 hours, hiding in the safety of a little horseshoe shaped island called Whale Cay (pronounced key), near Chubb Cay. Laid in there for the next 16 hours while she blew so hard that we sometimes heeled more than 40 degrees lying under bare poles at anchor. It was nice though, no waves but plenty of wind. Really made the rigging hum. We had 20 minute anchor watches but slept great.

About the pounding in a chop, everything pounds in Lake Erie chop... The old Alberg type hulls, narrow hulls with the long overhangs and the slack bilges were the best boat ever for Lake Erie chop but the same long overhangs and slack bilges used up all of the interior room... so to get an interior the size of a Cal 2-27, you needed to buy (and pay dockage for) an Alberg 35.

I guess what I'm saying is: I enjoy my Cal 2-27 as much as I enjoyed any boat I've ever owned. I would recommend the boat to anyone. $8000? I've paid $50,000 for boats that I didn't enjoy as much as my Cal 2-27. Oh, and I also trailer my Cal now. No, I can't launch it at the local ramp but I bring it home in the winter and will probably take it south next winter. The boat is only slightly over width, legal height wise, and pulls easily with my Chevy 3500 1 ton pickup and the gooseneck trailer that I built. dsd

From: JOSEPH NIDDAM jniddam@col1.telecom.com.co To: go2erie@bright.net Subject: Propeller for my cal 2-30 Date: Monday, December 28, 1998 2:02 PM

THANKS AND REGARDS, JOSEPH NIDDAM jniddam@col1.telecom.com.co

My reply: Joseph, I can't help much but Yanmar will... Send them your engine model number, boat weight, LWL, LOA and the fact that it's a sailboat and they will tell you what prop you need. They might need to know your transmission model for the gear reduction ratio, but the model number of the Yanmar unit should tell them that. Where did the prop come from? Make sure that the rotation of the prop is correct. It will be marked on the hub as either RH (right hand) or LH (left hand). Your Yanmar manuals will tell you what rotation prop you need. They cannot be switched!

Dan: Interesting web page, I enjoyed reading. As a fellow sailor "on the hard" for the next couple of months, the only sailing I get to do is on the web. I read with interest your article re: boat on Lake Erie. I'm 54 years old and looking forward to retirement in 5-10 years. I want to be able to lock up my house about this time of the year, leave MO and put my boat in the water in FL and sail to the Bahamas for 3 months. Anyway it's my pipe dream. Your article added fuel as to what type used boat (I'm not taking the bite on a new boat) two of us can live on for 3 months. YFI: we now sail a Capri 25 out of Boulder Marina in IL but I live in East Central MO. We enjoy racing our Capri and turned out to be a ringer in a lake wide regatta we entered. The only other time I raced last year, I ran aground while leading. We started racing too late in the year to become a factor in the standings. There is next year (new sail and whisker pole which cause a 2nd. place in the regatta I mentioned). http://members.aol.com/BoulderYC/ My home page is http://www.geocities.com/Heartland/Estates/6314/ if you care to visit. Regards and good sailing. Jim

Some Cal 27 info from Owners Guide , Displacement with 7 1/2 hp Westerbeke gas inboard 5,400 lbs., ballast 2,500 lbs. I have a Sail & Rig Plan for my 1974 "California 27 (T/2)" dated 13 January 1972, by C. William Lapworth but too large for my scanner. Launched Jan 1975

a Cal 27 T/2 Owner, Mike

Hi. Just browsed your Cal page. I recently purchased a Cal 2-27, my first boat. I am very happy with it. I have one of the few 2-27's which came equiped with an outboard rather than the inboard, which is interesting, because it gives you a ton of storage where the inboard would have been.

I have searched all over the web for info on these models, and was glad to stumble on your page. I added my name to the Cal 2-27 newsletter group, but have heard nothing. I am going to try to join the Owners Group, do you belong or have any info on them?

Am attaching a picture of my boat. Simon

Hi, I am looking for some history on my Cal 24. She seems to have started life as Zero-Zero, sailing out of Hawaii, through the Panama canal to the UK. From there she made for Cape Town. Like the Dove, which stopped in Durban, her crew then switched to a bigger boat to pass Cape Augulas at the South end of Africa. We currently sail out of Simons Town, about 15 miles North of Cape Point.

for go2erie@bright.net Thu, 4 Feb 1999 19:41:48 -0700 (MST)Message-ID: 36BA5B09.5048B29B@bigplanet.com Date: Thu, 04 Feb 1999 20:44:30 -0600 From: Marie Edison mariee@bigplanet.com X-Mailer: Mozilla 4.05 (Macintosh; U; PPC) I have finally connected with your page. I love finding out about its history. I have a 1982 Cal 25-2 docked at Hamilton Creek on Percy Priest Lake in Nashville, Tennessee. I've owned the boat for 2 1/2 years and have just has a bottom job including fiberglassing the keel. I've tried to get on a ques/ans page to find out what the tuning specifications are. I have some original data, but not the tuning tension. Can you direct me to this info? Thank you. Marie

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Hi Dan, Just a note to say how much I enjoy your web site on Cals. I have a Cal 21 and love it. I was wondering how often you update the site. I have created a web site for the Cal 21 and try to update it once a month or more, but find it harder every time to come up with meaningful content. It's address is marina.fortunecity.com/caledonia/230/home.html"

I especially appreciate the history of Cal bit. I was wondering if you have recieved any info on the original Cals of the 60's like the 28. I have found one thats for sail and haven't any idea of it's sailing characteristics. It appears to be a short lived model, was there a problem with them or was it just replaced by the 27? Thanks, Richard Fuller, Ruta...Bagas - 74 Cal 21

I thoroughly enjoyedyour reviews of the many sailboats you've owned, particularly those on the 27-footers as I am in the market for one. I just sold the third boat I've owned, a Catalina 25 which I owned for 10 years. It had a swing keel which was prone to failure, four times in 10 years. My last few years I just left the weighted board up and suffered with the slide to windward.

I am looking at moving up to a 27-footer, Catalina, Com-Pac, Island Packet, Pearson and Watkins are all contenders although a friend recently informed me to eliminate the Watkins as a poor hull design. My first choice is the slow but thick and reliable Island Packet if I can find one in my price range. Your review of the Cal 27 gave me another to think about. I sail the west coast of Florida out of Crystal River, from Cedar Key to the north to Tampa Bay to the south. I'm anxious to broaden my horizons to the Florida Keys and Bahamas, where I have chartered several times. Thank you again for the interesting info. Kevin P. Mulligan kmulligan@yahoo.com

My reply to Mr. Mulligan, a fellow clansman: I too, like the Island Packet but very expensive! My choice of my Cal 2-27, "imp" lies mostly with it's trailering abilities. The 9 foot 3 inch beam seems to satisfy law-enforcement officers on the highway. The 6700 pound dry weight seems OK for my Chevy 3500 and the gooseneck trailer that I built.

If you don't require trailering, there are several larger Cals that can be purchased for a fraction of the price of an Island Packet.

Hello Dan, I really enjoyed your Web page. I'm the owner of a 1979 Cal 27, Hull #603, "Black Hawk". I've owned Black Hawk for about 5 years, it's been a wonderful boat. Black Hawk has been the perfect Pocket Cruiser here on Lake Norman, NC. I've attached a Photo for your collection.

Thanks for the Great Web Page, Bob Becker - Charlotte, NC

John Niemczuk, CAL #1655

Just found your web site Great info wish I had found it last year. I'm looking for a stern tube (the old one has cracked and the holes holding it to the boat have become enlarged. Can anyone tell me where I can find a replacement (new or used) the shaft is 1". Any sources would be appreciated. I'm located near Annapolis, Md. rpprice@erols.com

From: "Don Williams" recruiterdon@email.msn.com To: go2erie@bright.net Subject: Old Cal homepage, Date: Sat, 13 Feb 1999 13:55:48 -0600 Dan, I've been looking all over for something like your home page. It's great! I have a 1968 Cal 20, hull number 1327. I was looking for replacement parts for it several years ago and ran across a web page, //tenthmuse.clever.net/seals/seals.html (Editor's note: this site is no longer here, dd) that had technical specs and replacement parts for the Cal 20 and I believe other models as well. I recall the name of his company as being Seal's and Spars Rigging. This guy was located out in the Bay area (I think). Anybody know of this guy or if he's still around?

I did order a replacment part from them which arrived without any problem. The only snag is that was back in the Fall of '95. I have tried to access their page several times since then and it's nowhere to be found. After reading many of the postings on your page, I think that I may be able to offer a suggestion. I'm pretty sure I have an old invoice with contact information for this guy. He claimed to have a pretty decent inventory of spare parts. I'll see if I can find the info and get back to you.

Question for your page: After seeing so many postings regarding rub rails, I was wondering myself if it is possible to recondition the rub rails (after thorough cleaning)with something like acetone and then sealing with ArmorAll or comercial sealant? I too would like to replace or recondition my rub rail for my Cal 20.

I would also like to know if anyone has any comments regarding replacement of the rub rail system all together. What I would like to know is this: do I weaken the structural integrity of the top deck / hull joint by removing (grinding off) the protruding lip that the rub rail attaches to? I have thought of grinding this off and running a strip of glass fabric and resin to smooth over the joint and then replacing with a commercially available aluminum and rubber strip. Any comments?

Dan, After sending my last e-mail to you and mentioning that I'd try to find Seal's Spars and Rigging's home page or contact info, I ran a search just for the company and an article with Steve Seal's address and contact info popped up! I tried giving him a call and actually reached him. I told him about your Cal home page and gave him your e-mail address and contact number. He should be giving you a call. His web page is apparantly still inoperative, but he will get it going again (especially after I told him about all the requests for replacement parts for Cal's that I saw on your bulletin board). He has replacement parts for Cal's and is very familiar with the boats since he used to build them. He knows Bill Lapworth personally and used to sail with him and Jensen.

His contact info is: Steve Seals, Seal's Spars and Rigging, 1327 Sherman Street, Alameda, CA 94501, Phone numbers are (phone/fax): 510-521-7730 www.tenthmuse.com/seals/c20.html HE HAS REPLACEMENT RUB RAILS!!!!!!!! Just thought you'd get a kick out of that since I saw so many requests for info on that. His prices are pretty reasonable and I have purchased from him once in the past. He seems like a pretty decent guy. Hope this helps and thanks again for your work on the home page.

Fair winds and clear skies! Don Williams, recruiterdon@msn.com or csimail@msn.com , (972)870-0886 Cal20 #1327 "Azul"

Hi, I really enjoyed the information on your sight. I am an attorney in Los Angeles, California trying to help a friend recover from an insurance loss for a Cal Jensen Sailboat. They are basiclly trying to get $2000 from the insurance who is denying the claim. Do you have any information on the head thru-hull fitting of the 1973 Cal Jensen 20. The insurance is denying the claim and they (insurance company) claims it is the thru-hull fitting that caused the sinking rather than weather. The sinking took place in Marina Del Rey in March last year and the boat collected water after 2 weeks of storms. Do you have any literature that would support or rebut the claim of the insurance. I would think that if a thru-hull was bad a boat would sink in minutes rather than float on the water for 12 months (insurance claims that the thru-hull was bad for over a year) and then sink.

Any and all help would be appreciated.

I'm a Cal 31 owner, a 1980. It's got a Universel diesel #5416, 16 hp, and a 135 Genoa.

The CQR anchor is too big for the anchor locker. I'd be glad to hear about anchor storage solutions. I've seen a large Danforth hooked to the pulpit of one.

The teak cabinetry in older, i.e. 1979, 1980, models has more finish: lathe-turned work and cabinet doors. The keel also seems deeper than in mid-80s models, which are also longer, fore and aft. I've heard that manufacturing switched to RI and FL around 1980.

The 31 is actually 31' 6" and it's not a bluewater design. It's tender, heels way over going upwind at 15 kts. The cockpit is not large, thanks to a roomy salon, which also has cabinetry port & starboard of the companionway, so no quarterberth. Its PHRF rating ranges from 156 to 165, which is on the fast side for a cruising boat. Practical Sailor Magazine's review was very favorable. About 360 were produced from 1979 to '85 or '86.

I'd be glad to correspond with other owners, to discuss a whole bunch of questions. - Chris Barr cbarr@mediaone.net

What I want to know is the year this was made - was it a Fla. or Rhode Island boat? (Editor's note: I think that Chris is referring to the year of the Cal that popped a thruhull. He wants to know if it was built by Jensen Marine or by a later owner of Cal Yachts. GOOD question, since there seems to be shoddy workmanship involved.)

Nice job with the sailboat info, keep up the good work! Hopefully I'll see you up on lake Erie this summer, I just need to finish my 20' homebuilt..... Regards, John Foster, Dayton

Hi Dan, I see you posted Rod Johnsons note about his Cal 21 keel plug drawing being on my Cal 21 web site but that you couldn't find it. Sorry I didn't mean to bury it, but it is there. It's in the "Upgrades" page towards the end. It's an "upgrade" to me because mine didn't have it when I bought her 7 years ago. Also.. there is a typo in the address for the site. "caldonia" should be caledonia. (the e is missing).

On a different note... I sent an e-mail asking if you or anyone else knew anything about the first Cal 28's (67-69 I beleave). displacement, measurments, sailing ability... I guess it was one of the ones that got lost during your upgrade. Thanks, Richard Ruta...Bagas Cal 21

DAN, I found your web page. I am considering buying a CAL 34. Can you call me, to talk about a few specifics? 1-800-988-5782. This is a work # My name is Mitch Moses. I'm in Tulsa, OK. Thanks

Looking for sailor who race the Cal 9.2 to compare notes. I have been racing a Cal 9.2 for 10 years on Lake Michigan. email cmijohn@mercury.para-net.com

Hi Michael -- I have a Faryman diesel in my Cal 2-29 (1979) that I am taking out soon. It is being replaced with an electric wheel motor here at Solomons Island in the Chesapeake. The Faryman is in OUTSTANDING condition. I bought the sailboat last year from a very elderly couple who had taken very good care of the Cal and engine. It had been reconditioned in 1997 and everything goes with it, including transmission, diesel tank, exhaust system, etc. This is a very, very good deal!!! If you're interested, act quickly. I plan to advertise the engine in the Washington Post soon. This engine has had very little use. It has many years of life left. This is the deal of a lifetime! Let me hear from you if you're interested. Bob Fistick 301-884-4395

Cal 28, 1968 - 5 sails, Eagle sounder/knot meter, VHF, diesel inboard, Dickenson stove, completely rebuilt teak galley, dingy. $18,500. 250-758-0196 Vancouver Island

Question #49 good or bad on the Cal-2-29. I have owned a 1974 2-29 for ten years and have loved every minute of it, the boat has not needed any major repair, I have had normal maintenance and no unexpected problems- I would buy this boat all over again. The diesel Eng. starts every time the rig has held up well, the windows have leaked but that is normal and easy to repair. This boat sails at a nice speed and carries my family of 4 all over the Chesapeake bay for weeks at a time.

I have a question of my own- I have been racing this boat fore 5 years and would like any information on setting up the boat for best results.

I enjoyed reading about the history of Cal boats. You did a very nice job. I have also used your web site to locate a rub rail for my Cal 33. Thank you.

I have a brochure and some advertisements from One Design & ....... that I can send you if you are interested. Having actively raced this Cal on the Great Lakes for the past 27 years, I consider myself an authority on the 33-1. "Andicapp", US33530, built at Jensen Marine, hull #25, has had one of the most succcessful careers of any yacht raced on Lake Erie. She is commonly referred to on the west end of Lake Erie as "the blue hemorrhoid". She has won the prestigeous Interclub Series twice, The Lake Erie Race and has been the Erie Yacht Club "boat of the year" three times. She is still actively raced and will be entered in the Trans-Erie Race, Interclub Series, and Bay Week (Put-in Bay Regatta).

She was purchased new from Howard Boston, Boston Sailmakers, in July 1972 who had planned to race her in the "Mac". Since then she has averaged 30- 40 races per season ( over 1000 miles/year) . As you can imagine, with this much sailing, everything that could fatigue already has. We have made some interesting repairs, refits, modifications, involving Bill Lapworth and the Geugeon Brothers that I would be happy to share. Although she has undergone several refits, she has had major renovations in the past three years.

It was very nice to hear you praise Bill Lapworth. He and his wife,Peggy are delightful people. They visited me in Erie a few years ago. I agree with comments regarding Bill's talent and the history of Cal and the Cal 40. Please feel free to contact me any time. Best regards, P/C Christian Wolford, EYC

P.S. Let me know what format you want the scans in and I will send them right away.

I have a 1983 Cal 35 that I've owned about a year. It's a great boat and sails very well. l live in Miami and have passed many a newer (and sometimes larger) boat in offshore conditions. About the only bad habit the boat has is pounding in certain head seas when close-hauled; but bearing off just a bit solve that. With a 6' draft fin keel the boat can really keep moving in a seaway.

My question is: This particular vessel started life in Sausalito as "Shearwater" and has been named "Heartset" since 1990. She did the Pacific Cup at least once and I'd like to find our how she did. Does anyone out there know?

Also, I'm in the process of peeling the gelcoat and putting vinylester resin on because of gelcoat blisters. There seems to be two gelcoat layers on this boat, one blue and one white, and the total thickness is quite bit more than normal. Was his standard procedure when these boats were built? Thanks for any help! Best regards, Tony Battaglia

Having an Atomic 4 that has no power is as common as having an old sailboat with an Atomic 4.

These engines are very forgiving- they are also tempermental. Unless you are very familiar with how your engine sounds, it may be firing on only 3 cylinders. It may also run on all 4 when it is first started and idling at the dock but when a load is put to it, a plug may foul. To test for this, in both nuetral and while in gear, pull off the spark plug wires one at a time and then lower the cap slowly over the plug until the spark jumps from the wire to the plug. You can hear it clicking. If you pull off a plug wire and the engine sounds the same, chances are one cylinder is not firing. This may be caused by oil from the crankcase getting by the rings to the spark plug - called "blow -by".If your engine is badly warn this may be the case. This may require new rings to be installed - a fairly big job.

To determine if this "blow-by" is serious, a simple test called a compression test can determine if the fit between the cylinder and the piston is OK. If the compression test shows good compression, the next common problem with the Atomic 4 is that it does not run hot enough. If the thermostat has been removed (often done) put a new one in. Also try a new spark plug and some "Restore" (one of the few oil treatments that work well). A "make it work" mechanic may also suggest a washer under the bad spark plug to lift it slightly. It is also possible to have a heavy carbon build -up that is reducing the power. After warming it up, run the engine in nuetral, at full throttle, for five minutes. If you hear a sudden jump in RPM throttle back and then hde if there are people around.

I have owned a 1987 Cal 28 for the past 6 years. I love the boat. My family does a lot of coastal cruising in the Rhode Island, Massachusetts and Long Island Sound areas. I also race on Wednesday nights.

Until last year I tuned my rig by hand and it always worked fairly well. Last year I purchased a "Loos & Co." professional tension gauge (from West Marine, about $80) and found it to be very easy to use and got the tuning to be perfect. You tension the rigging according to the diameter of the wire using a chart provided with the gauge. The trick I have learned is to alternately tension each side a little bit and re-measure each time. This keeps the mast plumb and prevents re-tensioning after over tightening either shrouds. I start with the top spreaders and finish with the lowers. It seems to work.

At the risk of sounding like a salesman for the Co. - I like this gizmo.

I currently own a 1986 cal22 and am looking to swap info and tales with anyone with this size of boat. JRSails@aol.com

Found the Old Cal web page almost by accident. Enjoyed it. I have a 1976 Cal 29, hull # 912. It was originally in the San Francisco Bay area, but was moved to the Galveston Bay area of Texas in 1990. I have (someplace) the original owners manual and brochure. I will locate them and make them available as needed. With respect to engine replacement, I replaced the Atomic 4 with a Universal 18 hp diesel. Had to replace the prop which was custom made in Houston. The boat was extensively raced in the San Francisco area during 1985-1990. Won lot of races.

At the time there was a large Cal 29 club there. Just wanted to pass these thoughts on. Thanks for the pages. Joe

Dan --Just reviewed your web site rather quickly and noticed a few things you might want to correct. I will print it out, make my suggested changes and snail mail them to you if you send me your address. I have quite a bit of literature on Cal-20 thru Cal 230 Since 1968 we have owned 3 Cal 20's (one sunk at dock in storm when boathouse broke loose on 12/14/88 and crushed it against the rock levy). We also had a Cal 230, designed by Bill L. just for San Francisco Bay and we won many races at a PHRF of 174, she was a great heavy weather SF Bay Boat.

Also owned Ericsons, a C&C-36 for 15 years, still own a Santanna-22 up the Delta, and now also a little Cal 25-2 1980 with the Universal 11hp diesel.

Do you know if it is possible to buy the sea hood for the boat as is shown in the 1980/81 brochure? The 25-2 is a very good little cruiser and we have also enjoyed some success racing her in mom & pop division in interclub races at National PHRF average rating of 222 for the Inboard. But alas on SF bay she is a bit tender and we could definitely use a sea hood and maybe a dodger. Regards Dave Few, Chablis IV Hull #255 made in Fall River MA.

DEAR SIR, I HAVE JUST BOUGHT A CAL 3-30 A 1974 BOAT HULL #274 I,M LOOKING FOR A BROCHURE ON THE BOAT OR ANY INFO ABOUT THE DESIGN OR HISTORY.. I LIVED IN SF,AND OAKLAND CA I USE TO RACE ON A CAL 3-30 SO I KNOW THE BOAT SOMEWHAT BUT I WOULD LIKE SOME MORE TECHNICAL INFO IF ITS AVAILABLE.

MY NAME IS: CHRIS EISENHART, 2 BENNETT ST #4, SOUTH PORTLAND,ME 04106, MY PHONE:207-799-3792, WORK PHONE:207-283-2900, FAX:207-283-8017. ANY HELP WOULD BE GREAT,THANKS AGAIN .......

Keep going. Looks good and I'll continue to browse your page.

I live on Huron and sail a Cal 25. Still learning and fixing her up. Would eventually like to work my way up to a 30' size. Love to sail!!!! Sincerely, Marty Gute, Oscoda, Michigan

Just wanted to be sure you knew about us -- we're at http://www.cal25.addr.com/.

We're written up in the March "Soundings." Gilbert Renaut, Racing POC, Chesapeake Bay Cal 25 Ass'n

Several months ago, I wrote looking for a lost source for Cal 2-27 fixed ports.

Mark Heacox, the owner of Mark Plastics, worked for Go Industries, one of the orginal equipment manufacturers of ports for Cal. I have found his quality and service to be excellent and a perfect match.. You may reach him at Mark Plastics, 369 East Harrison St., Unit G, Carona CA. 91719. Phone 909-735-7705, fax 909-735-0701. No E mail. it is best to call him in the AM.

He passed along another source for original equipment parts that I want to check before posting. He passed along the name of a former purchasing agent for Cal who is still active and can help find a source for rigging etc. If correct, this could be a great source for a variety of Cal Parts..

Anyone with questions may contact me at jshullo@altavista.net

Am in need of a forepeak hatch for my cal 25. Looking for the original solid fiberglass one. Any ideas would be helpful. jester@greatnorthern.net

Stumbled across your page, great job. I have an old Cal 28, we've had her since 1969 and love her. Always looking for more info on this great boat. Chris

Dan - Reference my Sat, 06 Mar 99 E mail, to you, Subject: Repower Elusive - 1978 Cal 2-29 Farymann A30 Diesel.

I have the same subject problem and questions as does Micheal R Durbanon Cal on his Cal 29 Engine Replacement, that is listed in Old Cal Yachts Webpage, Q&A Page #2. How can I get in touch with Micheal?? Herb (310) 830-3621 or (562) 982-6246. Many Thanks

I just found your Cal sailboat web page. It is excellent. I have friends that have Cal/Lapworth boats, I will tell them about your location. I own a Ranger 23 designed by Gary Mull. Is there a web page similiar to yours about Ranger boats. They were also made by Jensen then Bangor Punta. I know there are fewer Rangers than Cals but hopefully you can give me some information. Thanks, Tim Erwin, Dripping Springs, Texas

It was a pleasure to stumble upon your website today. I'll enjoy visiting and reading all the information you have posted about cal's.

I am the proud owner of a Cal 39. Presently in the midst of a major renovation. most of the trim has been removed from the boat and stripped. I am now in the midst of revarnishing. only one or two more coats to go and I'll start putting pieces back in place. Next on the agenda is a complete rewire! This weekend, time permitting I should have a new aluminum fuel tank installation complete. Last spring I haul her out, stripped the old crazing gelcoat to bare glass and repainted the hull with a linear polyurethane. the list goes on and on....

I do have some original sales brochures and specs.

If you're ever in the Seattle area I would be pleased to take you out for a sail. Keep up the good work. let me know if you need any information that I may have. Martin Sievertson

Hi, I was wondering if you have been to any of the other websites about Cals? The main one I use (and learned about yours) is cal25.com. This is the National website and there is also a SoCal page as well. I am going back to your site now and check out the rest of the info. J.R. Dicks Cal 25 # 745 "Banana Wind"

Not sure if you know this, but there is a Cal25 web site at http://cal25.com Matt Mayfield

Liked the page. I own a Cal 2-29. I spoke with Lapworth about 3 months ago over the phone. He is very friendly and still likes to talk about the Cal. He expressed great disappointment about the dwindling American sailboat industry and especially the demise of Cal's owners/suppliers.

I called Bill in order to get a full copy of his plans for my Cal 2. He is most interested in continuing to assist Cal owners in maintaining and upgrading their boats. If anyone needs his address, email me. I'll have to retrieve it from my office in NYC. I'm sure he would like to get more involved with Cal owners and continue their great sailing tradition.

Does anyone have a spare Cal 20 motor well plug, lower, they are willing to sell or loan so I can make a copy? I have a '72 vintage Cal 20, "Manana II" that I am restoring. Also, have owned "Satori" Cal 46 hull #3, since '82 when I bought her from Jack Jensen's estate. Have lived aboard and cruised since '88. Tom Vandiver E mail SATORITOM@aol.com

I purchased a 1972 Cal 20 this last summer that was in need of ALOT of TLC. After checking out the wood inside & all the deck fitting attachments I decided to go for a complete overhaul. I have completely dismantled the boat ( even split the top from the bottem ) & am in the process of reconstruction. I have added one layer of woven roving & two layers of fiberglass cloth three feet wide along the inside of the bottem & added some wood stringers for more strength. I am in the process of building new bunks, v-birth & a small galley.

I am considering taking this boat on an extended cruise & am seeking advice on other modifications that would make the vessel stronger & more sea worthy. I am considering adding an inner forestay for a cutter rig or storm jib. Also considering another set of shrouds about 18 inches fore & aft. Any ideas would be greatly appreciated. Email = Sailcal20@aol.com

WE HAVE ALL PARTS TO REPAIR YOUR ENGINE THIS IS A POPULAR ENGINE BE SURE IF YOU DO NOT WANT IT TO TRY TO SELL IT WE GET CALLS DAILY FROM PEOPLE LOOKING FOR A30 ONE OF THE BEST ENGINES MADE

HI GREAT STUFF NO TIME TO VIEW IT ALL SO I'LL RETURN, DO HAVE A QUESTION THOUGH... I OWN CAL 2-30 #43 GREAT BOAT AND FAST BUT I NEED TO REPLACE THE RUB RAIL AROUND THE BOAT GOT ANY IDEAS FOR A SUPPLIER?

Editor's note: There are several suppliers for Cal Rubrails listed in these Q&A pages. I don't know how good or bad any of them are. Be careful sending large amounts of money to unknown persons. Use your Browser's "search" feature and search these Q&A pages for "rub rail", also try "rub rail".

Anyone know where to get one? (motorwell plug for a Cal 20) Or if I may borrow one long enough to make a copy? Of course, I can pull my boat out of the water and make one, but, we sail year round in Florida. Tom, "Manana II", SATORITOM@aol.com or 850-455-8830

Does anyone have the specs on tensions for shrouds and stays for the '82 Cal 25 tall rig? I've just had a new bottom job and need to set the tensions correctly. Marie

Great web page Dan. What do you know about Cal 39's? They were built over an extended period and I guess modified along the way. Are there particular features good or bad pegged to specific years? Their phrf ratings indicates good speed And appear to be strong, traits typical of other cals. However that's all we know about them. Any specific info you or some other resource might have would be appreciated. Is there a Cal 39 group? Thanks in advance, Jim Hayes

When I spotted the photo of the Cal 25 on your website, I was surprised to find that it featured only two windows on a side, as opposed to the three per side on every Cal 25 that I have come across. My question is this; is the boat in the photo not actually a Cal 2-24? Essentially, the 2-24 is a slightly scaled down version of the 25.

There are some differences, however. The most obvious difference is the window configuration: two windows per side. another notable difference included a dagger-shaped steel keel with a slight bulb on the bottom, as opposed to the undershot fin on the 25. The transom was more pinched on the 2-24 as well.

In most respects, the two boats had many similar features, most notably the ingenius removable transom "door" meant for providing a place to mount the outboard motor, not to mention the same full-width "flat-top" deck.

Please let me know if you can find more information on the Cal 2-24. I would, among other things, like to know the years that this boat was produced. Thank you, Michael Altshul

Hello Michael Altshul, Years ago I probably grabbed this photo from the web somewhere, I don't even remember where. Most likely from a "for sale" page. When I first started this page, I was getting my photos anywhere I could find them. I remember that the text called the photo a Cal 24.

I used the photo, branded it a 24, received an e-mail from someone that told me that the photo was of a Cal 25. He seemed to know what he was talking about so I changed the text to read a Cal 25.

Your email is probably correct. You know more about these boats than I (for sure). I will enter your email text in my Q&A section. To: Subject: Reply on the Cal 2-24 picture Date: Sunday, March 28, 1999 12:29 PM Dear Dan and Karen; Thank you for responding so promptly to my inquiry and observations with regard to the Cal 2-24 photograph. You may go ahead and use my full name, and if you want, my previous reply on your web page. (You can handle that as you see fit). I thank you for your willingness to improve the accuracy of your web page. I can imagine that getting all the information correct must be difficult at times, as there are probably many differing opinions concerning certain aspects of the old Cal boats, yet it may be difficult to verify some of the information through the use of documentation due to the age of these boats, and the fact that Cal boats are no longer being built. My last sailing experience, as it turns out, was on a Cal 40 (about ten years ago, before I moved away from the Connecticut coast). The wind was moderate; about a fifteen knot sustained wind, and the boat handled beautifully. She was easy to balance, and was absolutely no trouble during the various maneuvers that were carried out during that sail. An absolute gem of a boat. I hope very much to have another opportunity to sail such a boat. Again, thank you for your time and reply. Respectfully Michael Altshul -

I RELLY ENJOYED YOUR WEB PAGE.. I JUST BOUGHT A 1974 CAL 3-30 I DONT EVEN HAVE THE BOAT YET ITS HULL NUMBER 274 I WILL BE KEEPING THE BOAT IN SOUTH PORTLAND MAINE..ANYWAY I GREWUP SAILING ON SF BAY SO I KNOW THE BOATS VERYWELL I USE TO RIG AND COMMISSION NEW BOATS WHEN I WAS GROWING UP.MY QUESTION IS DOSE ANYONE HAVE COPYS OF THE BROCHER ON THE CAL3-30 OR LINE DROWINGS AROUND OR ANY INFO ON THIS BOAT AT ALL.. THANKS ... CHRIS EISENHART, BENNETT ST #4, SOUTH PORTLAND,ME 04106, 207-799-3792, 207-283-8017 FAX

Thanks for the information...you do a great job with the website...I hope you keep it going...we all appreciate the effort.

From: Gadget75@aol.com To: go2erie@bright.net Subject: Orginal owner's manual. Date: Wednesday, March 24, 1999 9:20 AM Dear Dan: My wife and I bought a Cal 33 ( CABS0091E687 ) last August. We love her. She is named "Second Wind." Her home port is Narragansett Bay near Newport, RI. I was lucky to get the original owner's manual. Let me know if you need any of that information.

She was surveyed in August and passed with flying colors although work will be needed to bring her back to the shape we want to see her in. It's like owning an old Mustang convertible classic. In October I took her out and she in on hard in Warwick. Hope to get her back in the water in mid April. ( eternal optimist)

I became aware of at least two other Cal 33's in this area of about the same vintage. I met the nice owner of one who has been a great help and the other is for sale in East Greenwich and has been for some time. It's in great shape but the man is asking too much.

I like your web site and thanks for the great information. Jim & Geaorge Ann Redden - Gadget75@AOL.COM

My single tubing bow pulpit needs to be replaced. Does anyone know where I can find a company that manufacturers similar shape for current boats?

I had written a question some time ago and could not determine if you were able to answer it. The cap that connects my rudder post to my tiller is damaged, and I was looking for a replacement. Do you know anyone who carries old Cal parts? Please answer if you have some time.

Thanks, Blaine Williams, 1969 Cal 34 FlyAway, Rome, Georgia, downtown@roman.net

Blaine, Sorry about the fact that the Old Cal Yacht website gets so neglected but I only work on it as time allows. I leave it up since there is practically nothing on the web about Cal Yachts.

The cap that you mentioned will be near impossible to find anywhere in today's market. Have you looked at the same part on newer sailboats to see if a newer (more available) part could be adapted to your use?

You don't mention how badly the rudderpost cap is damaged? Is it still usable? Could it be repaired by welding then re-machining? As a last resort, you will be forced to take the item to a reliable machine shop and have them fabricate another one for you. They could machine one from any material that you like including bronze, stainless steel or even titanium if you prefer. What material is the old one made from? Word of caution: don't let the shop confuse marine bronze for brass. Brass is a very inferior metal when compared to marine bronze. Titanium would be the most expensive material to use. It would be extremely strong and would last forever in any condition but my-oh-my would it be expensive! .

The best and cheapest way out would be to adapt a newer, more available part to your use (perhaps with minor machine work). The machine work will not be cheap but it will cost less than spending hours trying to locate one of these exact parts in today's market. Dan Dalrymple, editor of the website: http://www.bright.net/~go2erie/index.html

I have a 1969 cal 29. Hull number 20. I have owned her for about 12 years. I live aboard, day sail, cruise, and actively race. I have done significant structural improvements just to keep the old girl going and competitive.

I would like to mail you a photo or two and also the original brochure from october 1969. The 2-29 is exactly the same hull and rig the only difference to my knowledge was the 2-29 had a nicer interior and a wheel. Both boats rate the same across the country in phrf. I have won numerous races in the southern california area. Last year we won the annual newport to ensenada yacht race. We were 1st in class and 2nd overall. I have a boat neighbor who has an old cal 24. One of the original 24's. He also like myself is in love with his boat. He has done lots to his boat too. I go sailing with him it's a great boat. Andy Horning

There is a company called Wefco in Santa Monica California that makes the rubber extrusion for cal 29 - cal 25 - etc.

Earlier this year I asked if anyone knew where I could get original equipment non opening ports for my Cal 2-27. I finally found the source for the ports and some other things.

For ports: Mark Plastics, Contact : Mark Heacox, 369 East Harrison St, Unit G, Corona, CA 91719, Phone: 909-735-7705 fax: 909-735-0701 ( no E mail)

He worked for the company that was the origial equipment port manufacturer for cal and the various brands made by the various ownerships of Cal. No credit cards. send check, he sends windows. It worked for me and the quality is first rate. call him in the AM as he is out much of the afternoon.

Mark also provided the name for a former purchasing agent for Cal who knows the source for all kinds of original parts. I have not used him and can not make any claims for this source. Contact D&R Marine at 508-644-3001 and ask for "Rudy".

If you would like more info about the ports, contact me @ jshullo@altavista.net.

I have a 1986 Cal 33. I also have one copy of the original brochure. The brochure includes a comment that would lead the reader to the conclusion that this model was designed by Peter Boyce at C.Raymond Hunt. Do you have any info on this model? Would you like me to scan the brochure for you?

Cal 40 for sale. Located in Annapolis,MD. Fully restored 1995. Total up date.North 3DL inventory. five spinnakers, three mainsails, six headsails. Nothing over 4yrs old. 1997 winner Chicago/Mackinac Race. 1998 winner Maryland Governors Cup. Second high points CBYRA 1998 & much more. The best "cupcake" in the country. Ph. Larry Askew, 410/626-2053. $150,000.

Dear Dan....Great web page. I have a very nice 1971 Cal 27, pop-top model. I keep it at the Vallejo Yacht Club in Vallejo California. I would like to talk to people who have or had such a boat. Can you aim me in the right direction?

I would be pleased to talk about the boat to anyone. If there is any way I could add to your knowledge on that specific boat, let me know. Dick Decius (In Napa, CA)

I came across your page on the Cal 20 while doing a Metacrawler search. FYI the Crescent Sail Yacht Club in Grosse Pointe Farms, Michigan, has about 14 Cal 20s. I have one of them. We race one-design on Wednesday night (June through August) and Sunday morning (Mid-May through September. There are several other Cal 20s in the area.

My boat (1057) is in the shop right now waiting to have the hull and deck painted(Awlgrip). Some of our fleet has been restored, but most are not. For the most part they are all in pretty good shape. The design has held up well. It's a tough little boat. Most of us have had some deck problems. John Young, Grosse Pointe Woods MI

How high is a CAL 20?

On of the guys in my fleet lives down the street from me and he has his CAL 20 in his garage. Send an e-mail to him with your question and I'm sure he will respond quickly. His e-mail is genebert@home.com John Young

Dan: Great web page(s)! Well done! I have a Cal 27 question that I would appreciate your insight on. I looked at a Cal 27 Mark 3 yesrerday in Sandusky, Ohio. The boat is a 1984 model, with furling and the Yanmar diesel. Decent condition overall, but had two areas of cracking on the deck that cause me some concern. The one is at the starboard end of the traveler - a longitudinal crack just below the traveler itself. I anticipate that the traveler will need to be taken up and re-sealed, and the crack routed out and filled with epoxy. The other crack(s) are just starboard of where the tiller comes thru the deck. There is one larger crack about three inches long, and three or four smaller ones. There does not appear to be any weeping from the cracks, and there is absolutely no sponginess to the deck surface in the area. Unfortunately, fixing these will be more difficult, as they extend from the white deck surface into the beige colored non-skid. Did you note any evidence of this problem with your boat? Is it typical to Cal boats? I would appreciate any input that you may have, as I do like the boat, and the size fits our needs well. Thanks!

Best regards, Dave Sasak

My reply: David, I don't know where you're from but I think that you're getting very close to my territory. I'm thinking that the boat that you just looked at is in the same marina that I'm in, Sandusky Harbor Marina, and is being offered by Adventure Yacht Brokers. I was also there Saturday. I drove directly past that Cal several times yesterday. Matter of fact, the photos of my boat that are on my website were taken in Sandusky Harbor Marina.

My Cal is a 2-27 (the model that preceded the Mark III) of 1974 vintage. The Mark III is a touch smaller in actual size and weight than my 2-27 but it is probably quicker. Any glass problems that would appear on the 2-27 would not necessarily appear on your model. My boat, being 25 years old, has plenty of them.

These cracks, as you call them, could you pour water into them thru the hull into the boat? or are they simply surface cracks? All fiberglass boats get surface cracks after a few years. My 25 year old Cal has a crack that you could pour a large McDonald's coffee into the interior of my boat in less than 3 minutes (no kiddin'). This is my third year for this boat and I'm just getting around to fixing it now. The past two-year fix has been four inches of white sail tape.

If we're thinking of the same boat, it's probably OK and the price is right. I've admired it but have never been aboard. Let me know... Dan Dalrymple, editor

His reply back: Dan: You are correct as to the boat - it is at Sandusky Harbor. As to the cracks, neither area appears to be cracked thru to the interior. If the one area did not extend into the molded non-skid, repair would be relatively easy. All else on the boat appeared to be decent, although she had some water below due to not being covered, and the hatch board was not secured. Thanks for your input - I'll let you know what happens. Regards, Dave

Hello! we found your page very informative and interesting: CONGRATULATIONS! My husband used to own a Cal 20' a long time ago. Do you have any information about that particular one? I would love to know more about it.

Looking forward to hearing from you at your convenience. Norma Perez/Bernard Comat

Dan, I saw someone sent you a copy of a CAL 34 with line drawings but it has not been added to the page yet. I assume it was a scanned electronic copy. I wouldn't ask you to rush the update to the web page but could you email me the attachment? I would love to see it. Bill Sicard

Dan, I'm looking into a Cal 27 and am trying to get an idea what they might be going for. What did you pay for your 74' Cal 2-27 and when did you purchase it? thanks, Patrick Wroble

My reply: Patrick, decent 2-27s are going for about $5000 to $12,000 on Yachtworld now.

Hello, I just purchased a Cal 2-27 with a Farymann diesel. You mentioned on your web page that the Farymann had problems yet you were not too specific beyond power and corrosion problems. Is there anything else I should be aware of?

The engine was recently overhauled (new starter, piston, water pump and fuel pump) and has only ten hours since the work was done. You also mentioned access doors to help with storage and do you find the ice box large enough for extended trips. Your advice would be appreciated. Harry

Hello, I'm planning on taking out the Atomic 4 in my 2-27 next weekend(for a rebuild) and I was wondering if you could give me any tips. It looks like it will fit ok, but I'd hate to get everything undone and then not be able to get it out. I was thinking about using a halyard along with a block and tack to lift it out of the boat. I'm not sure how to get it out of the 'engine room' though. Any pointers you could give me would be greatly appreciated. Thanks, -Craig

My Reply: From: Dan and Karen Dalrymple go2erie@mail.bright.net To: Gansheimer, Craig CGansheimer@ea.com Subject: Re: Atomic 4 removal. Date: Saturday, April 10, 1999 9:41 AM

Yes, it will come out thru the hatch just fine. The best way to pull an sailboat engine is by using a halyard. I weld up a "C" type apparatus to bridge around the cockpit floor in order to get a direct pull on the center of balance of the engine. This metal apparatus helps with the removal and even helps more with the install. The engine/tranny should weigh about 325 pounds, an easy weight for a main halyard and a good winch. Dan Dalrymple, editor.

I saw your post on a CAL Q&A page and noticed the call sign. I am wanting to put some HF on my cal25 and I was wondering if you knew of any decent antenna designs for sail boats. tnx es 73, Brent, N5CLK

I would like to rejoin the Cal owners club. I'm looking to go from a "82 Cal 25 to a Cal 30 - 35. Does anyone have a favorite? Jim

Editor's note: No Cal Owners Club here, sorry about that...

Dan, Since 1992, I've been the overly proud owner Melee --- Cal-40 - hull number 10, which since about that time has been located a stone's throw from the Los Angeles Yacht Club where we have been members for some time.

The Cal-40 IS IS IS the finest boat ever to come into existence!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Some time ago, Jim Eddy (who's had a Cal-40 since God formed the oceans) gave me a list of what appears to be all the Cal-40 commissions. It indicates very early, if not original owners. This may help some owners who are unsure of their hull numbers etc.

I would love to see this list used as a starting point for an effort to identify all current Cal-40 owners and their locations. Let me know what you think of the likelihood that this would lead to more Cal-40 racing.

I understand that your fax number is 330-698-6403. I'm going to fax this list to you. (Editor's note: I received this list but need to re-type it into a text file to get it on the website. Another next winter's project!)

Your website is a dream!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Bob Schaeffer Jr

We have a 1968 Cal-34 Hull #136. Wonder if you have a drawing - specs etc. that could be shared? Thanks, J E Thornton, jetcat@erols.com

Editor's note: Yes, I do have quite a bit of data on the 34s. I'll try to get it all entered this coming (soon) winter.

Our web page is listed on Good Old Boats. I just got an email from a guy with a Cal 28 !. I am going to email him about the Good Old Boats and your page. Ruth Summers, Sec/Tres. Cal 29 Association

Man who says it cannot be done, Should not interrupt man doing it. An